but mussolini, one time said speaking about italy, the italians said one phrase that is memorable. one phrase was interesting. they said to control it, to govern the italians is not difficult. it is impossible so in a situation like that, would have been impossible to control anything anything. so i left. >> so you left. >> and then i became a free bird. >> and how did that feel? >> fantastic. that was fantastic. i had been music director all my life, since 1968. london fill harmonia, philadelphia orchestra after-- lascala, 19 years and so after so many years of hard work, not only artistically, musically but about all the other things that-- a good and honest music director has to take care of, i worked so hard that suddenly i felt i, you know, light. i have to do only music when i want, where i want, and how i want. i was-- i felt like a bird as i said before. and that was the period when the new york philharmonic asked me to become the music director. i did several concerts, many concerts with the new york philharmonic, beautiful concerts. i admire those musicians. i think that